GBA Logo horizontal Facebook LinkedIn Email Pinterest Twitter X Instagram YouTube Icon Navigation Search Icon Main Search Icon Video Play Icon Plus Icon Minus Icon Picture icon Hamburger Icon Close Icon Sorted

Community and Q&A

underground water shutoff?

Trevor_Lambert | Posted in General Questions on

This is going to be an odd one.

I need to get a water line into my new workshop. We are on a rural property with a well.

Option 1 is to dig a trench back to the well (around 120 feet long, 4 feet deep) and have another submersible pump installed. I’m not a fan of this option due to high cost and amount of labour. The other downside of adding a pump is that it increases the risk of running the well dry. It only has a refill rate of about 1.5GPH

Option 2 is to dig a trench from the house to the workshop. I ruled this out due to the amount of destruction of landscaping around the house it requires, and the amount of work.

Option 3 is to tap into a 3/4″ underground poly pipe that leads to a garden spigot. This cuts the trench length in half, and saves having to hire a contractor to do the well pump install. The complication with this is that the garden spigot has to be shut off seasonally. This is currently done by means of a valve inside the house. Obviously, I don’t want to shut off the water to the workshop seasonally. What I was thinking of doing is moving the valve to the garden, underground inside an insulated box. There’d be an insulated hatch that would allow access to the valve. Is this a feasible idea?

edited to add:
A fourth option would be to splice the garden pipe to the workshop, then have a shutoff valve inside the workshop and return another pipe to connect to the pipe going to the garden. I feel like I had this idea before but forgot it, because this is a problem I’d previously thought I’d solved until I started thinking about it again. This is probably the simplest option.

GBA Prime

Join the leading community of building science experts

Become a GBA Prime member and get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

Replies

  1. freyr_design | | #1

    you could just put a non freeze hydrant in your garden. or use a water meter shut off and use a key to turn on and off, then just bury at frost depth and use cristy extension to get depth (might still want a little lid insulation)

    1. Trevor_Lambert | | #5

      This is probably what I should have done from the start. Now it would require digging a 5 foot deep hole by hand. I will keep this as a last resort.

      1. freyr_design | | #6

        Yes, the curb stop valve ( didn’t know that was its name) makes more sense. I also didn’t know about the extension which is very convenient (don’t work in particularly cold climate). I imagine the earth will temper the cold transfer through steel. You can order online or any supply store in your area should sell it. You probably could do just a pvc pipe as they make those keys fairly long, but I think you’d be better off using the purpose built extension.

        1. Trevor_Lambert | | #7

          I talked it over with the ol' ball and chain, and she really likes the idea of having water in the garden year round. So I guess she better get started digging that hole.

      2. Expert Member
        DCcontrarian | | #10

        Don't you have to dig a hole anyway for the tee?

        1. Trevor_Lambert | | #11

          The garden spigot is not in the same location as where the tee needs to go.

  2. Expert Member
    DCcontrarian | | #2

    I've done this with a yard hydrant buried below the frost line.

  3. MartinHolladay | | #3

    Trevor,
    The type of valve you are looking for is called a curb-stop valve. I've installed several of them. These buried valves include a steel riser pipe with a flat steel cap. To operate the valve, you remove the flat steel cap and turn a vertical rod with a steel key.

    Assuming that the water supply pipe and buried valve are located below frost level, there shouldn't be any freezing problems with this type of valve.

    1. Trevor_Lambert | | #4

      Two silly questions:

      If the riser pipe is made of steel, wouldn't that effectively deliver below-freezing temperatures pretty effectively down to the valve? Can I substitute a plastic pipe?

      What kind of store supplies the valve and key? If it's not practical for me to get, is using a standard 1/4 turn valve and a home-made key a reasonable solution?

      1. Malcolm_Taylor | | #8

        Trevor,

        Fire Hydrants operate on a version of a curb-stop valve, all made of steel. But yes you could certainly make your own DIY version with less thermally conductive materials.

      2. MartinHolladay | | #9

        Trevor,
        I used to work at a plumbing-supply outlet, and we sold curb-stop valves.

        My buried curb stops have never frozen, but you can always include a horizontal 2-inch-thick layer of XPS or dense EPS directly above your water pipe, in the vicinity of the valve (obviously, with a keyhole-shaped hole in the middle for the steel riser) if you want. The rigid foam will help retain ground heat, lowering the chance of freezing.

Log in or create an account to post an answer.

Community

Recent Questions and Replies

  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |