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Mini split in new construction: risk of water damage to walls and/or ceiling

JMRD | Posted in Plans Review on

Hello, we are building a 1300 sq.ft. vacation home, slab on grade, near Ottawa Ontario, Canada (draft floor plan attached). We plan to use it a lot when the weather is warm and twice a month during the winter.

For heating, I had considered propane-fueled hydronic radiant floor heating, and for cooling, a Mitsubishi Zuba, either ducted or mini split. 

Because the Zuba is designed for Canadian winters, capable of heating to -30C, and because there is an add-on component of electric heating for when temperatures drop too low, it seems like the perfect, singular solution for heating and cooling. That said, I plan to drop the hydronic floor heating altogether. As a consolation, and to have warm feet, I plan to install electric in-floor heating in both bathrooms.

My question is, should I go with the Zuba-Central (heat pump outside is connected to an air handler in the mechanical room, which is connected to central ductwork) or go with the Zuba-Multi (heat pump is connected to a device in the mechanical room, from which a variety of mini splits feed to various rooms)? 

https://www.mitsubishielectric.ca/en/hvac/professionals/zuba-family/Zuba-Multi

I would prefer the Zuba-Multi, because then I could avoid the ductwork. However, I am nervous to run these lines through the walls and ceiling, because I fear there may be potential for water damage, either from condensation or other. I would like to use either ceiling cassettes or ceiling-concealed units in both bedrooms, and one unit, either a wall-mounted or ceiling-concealed style for the main living space.

In my view, the Zuba-Central ductwork is safer, because the ducts won’t leak water in my walls and ceiling, but what I really want to know is if my fear of installing the Zuba-Multi lines in the ceiling and/or walls is justified? How risky is it to install these lines in a ceiling and/or wall?

Any info is greatly appreciated!

Thank you  

 

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  1. jameshowison | | #1

    Some useful info in here, I expect:

    https://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/article/multi-zone-heat-pump-issue

    Is Mitsu Zuba just a rebranding of their hyper-heat system? So it's refrigerant, not water, running to the units, so I guess you are asking if there can be condensation on the refrigerant lines? They do have awesome insulation on them, but careful work at the connections (including the junction box) is relevant.

    In our experience the outdoor compressor is much noisier than expected and advertised when it does a defrost. Clunk, hisssss, and internal units stop blowing, then restart. Definitely put that unit (or units if following the advice in the podcast above) far from bedroom walls.

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    Akos | | #2

    Before going down the road of selecting equipment, you need to figure out how much heat the house needs. There are some online calculators you can use (loadcalc and coolcalc) you can enter your house details to get you a starting point.

    For cold climate, I would look for a cold climate type heatpump with vapour injection. The Zuba is not one, the heat output drops a fair bit in minus temps.

    Look through here and pick one that has about the same heat capcity at 5F as at 47F.

    https://ashp.neep.org/#!/product_list/

    Multizone type setup generally don't work all that well for smaller new build as they would be oversized for the loads. A single zone mid static ducted unit is probably your best bet. Make sure you check that it either has a pan heater or there is a pan heater kit.

    Something like this would be in the ballpark.
    https://ashp.neep.org/#!/product/29584

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