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Low Ceiling Rubble Stone Basement Help

twoodson | Posted in General Questions on

Looking for opinions on the below plan.  I think I’ve read all of the articles, but there are some hard choices when it comes to these old houses!

Goal:  Dry, warmish, usable basement space for recreation area, storage and tools.  Reduce moisture in basement.  Reduce heat load and make the first floor warmer.

Condition:

-Historic register 1905 Build, Solid triple wythe masonry building. 3000 sq ft two story.

-Rubble stone foundation “basement”
-Mostly dry, I’m in a high area.  Concrete outside on all sides between neighbors. (Only 4 feet between to the next house)
-Thin slab.  2-3 inches, Slab is OK, but VERY un-level.  Was probably dirt when built.  Seems to be pored right against the footers
-6’5 to 6’7 height in basement
-Pocketed joists, but 2-3 feet above grade
-Glass block windows
-Radon could be a problem when I get this sealed up tight
-Termites know where the wood is, I have had them treated, but it’s a risk.
-100% electric home (heat pumps)

Plan:
-Repoint rubble stone
-Add borate rods to joist ends.  Spray with borate.
-Add French drain and run dimple mat up wall a few inches.  Connect to radon pipe.
-Frame with steel studs a few inches off wall
-2 inches HFO foam + rock wool batts
-Sheetrock

Problem:
Im not sure what to do with the slab.  Replacing and/or digging down will be a huge cost give access and risks.  This is a heavy building.  I’m consider grinding it and putting epoxy or other coating on it. I suspect that hydrostatic pressure is not an issue.  The slab is actually level with the front street that is 20 feet away. The house is built up on a “hill”.

Picture example of a pointed portion of the foundation wall attached. Nevemind the filthy slab, I’ve been chipping off Drylock.  No one should ever use paint on stuff like this.  Ever.

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  1. DCContrarian | | #1

    This is a good article:
    https://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-041-rubble-foundations

    I wouldn't assume it's expensive to replace the concrete floor until you talk to someone who does it for a living. They may see things differently. The most common way of getting a level surface with existing concrete is to use leveling compound, but it's really expensive, a quarter inch of leveling compound costs about as much per square foot as 4" of new concrete. A new slab also allows you to put in a capillary break, vapor barrier and insulation.

    The two ways to add headroom in a basement are to lower the floor or raise the building. If you've got pocketed joists raising the building probably isn't practical.

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