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   iLikeDirt | Apr 11, 2016 10:52am | #1

   Generally the most "sustainable" choice is the one the lasts longest and is the most functional and beautiful (so people will not want to rip it out and replace it because it's ugly or doesn't work). Both will probably function without problems, so weigh the balance of the most beautiful (Ipe, without a doubt) against which one will last longest in your climate. How much sun and rain do you get? I ask because PVC-based materials eventually get destroyed by sunlight (it's just a matter of time). Ipe will probably last longer in a sunny climate. However if you live in a gloomy sunless wet rainforest, the PVC product may last a bit longer.

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   Martin Holladay | Apr 11, 2016 10:54am | #2

   Betsy,
   An increasing number of environmental groups are urging Americans to stop buying ipe. Here are links to relevant articles:

   Ipe hardwood: Think Twice Before Buying

   A Trail of Stumps

   Ipê should be avoided entirely

   For more information on life-cycle analyses of vinyl products, see:

   Vinyl Windows and Vinyl Siding

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   iLikeDirt | Apr 11, 2016 02:08pm | #3

   Every building material has environmental consequences attached to its creation, use, and disposal. The copper in our ductless mini-splits comes from huge predatory Chinese mining companies chopping the tops off mountains in Africa and poisoning little children. There is no escape from the fact that turning natural resources into building products presents problems to our conscience, our planet, and potentially third-parties somewhere comfortably out of sight who bear the brunt of the negative effects.

   In my opinion, once you are ready to accept the reality that consuming a natural resource (any natural resource) probably hurts someone or some natural environment somewhere, you have a responsibility to consume it in a way that yields the most efficient and long-lasting use for it. For example turning petroleum into foam insulation is a far more efficient use for it than turning it into a candy wrapper or rotational movement in a stationary generator. So if your Ipe deck lasts for 300 years, that's probably better for the environment and humanity long term than a PVC deck that lasts for only 60 years before becoming so brittle from UV exposure that walking on it cracks it, all the while looking ugly because, well, it's made of plastic, such that maybe you or another owner replaces it even before the end of its useful life because you want something that looks and feels beautiful and high quality, not a "better living through chemistry" special. An Ipe deck that hurts the environment and indigenous people once may be on balance a superior choice for your conscience and the planet than a PVC deck that hurts the environment, factory workers, and disposal workers four or five times during the same period of time, all the while giving you inferior service because it's uglier. Won't raise your home's value as much, either.

   But once you start to think like this, maybe you don't even need an Ipe deck. There are beautiful metal balconies in Paris that were installed hundreds of years ago. And masonry lasts forever, too. You could use bricks, or poured concrete, or stainless steel, or copper. Think of the architectural possibilities. Think of how you could create something so durable and beautiful that it will be treasured by generations, and people will fight to prevent it from deteriorating or being destroyed.

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   Martin Holladay | Apr 11, 2016 03:26pm | #4

   Nate,
   A 300-year-old ipe deck? Really?

   If someone had built an ipe deck in 1716 -- the year when the Hall of Mirrors was completed at Versailles -- you think that the deck would just now be in need of replacement?

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   ohioandy | Apr 11, 2016 07:29pm | #5

   My stock contribution to the variations of this question: I've built a number of outdoor things with white oak, native here in Ohio, and it's proving remarkably durable when fully exposed to weather or in ground contact. A local sawmill sources all their logs from within 50 miles, and sells custom-cut lumber for $1.10 a board foot. When it's green, it tools like pine. Of course, it has to be kiln dried in order to plane to a smooth finish, so a refined look increases costs. But you can't beat a local tree for life cycle assessment and low energy inputs. I was always amused by LEED's standard of locally-sourced being a 500-mile radius, but in the context of ipe and manufactured PVC, it makes sense.

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   charlie_sullivan | Apr 12, 2016 08:07am | #6

   Another option to consider: Thermally modified wood. I'll list some links below, but I don't have any particular allegiance or experience with these; I've decided to go with locally grown cedar and accept the fact that it will eventually need replacement.

   http://www.baileywp.com/html/thermo.html

   http://arborwoodco.com/

   http://www.thermotreatedwood.com/Well%20Done%20Products.html

   http://www.ecovantagewood.com/ecoprem-products.aspx/ecodeck-deck-dock-and-railing-systems

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   rhallen645 | Dec 04, 2016 12:24am | #7

   Betsy, I'm in a similar position for two different deck projects in Texas. I've decided against FSC-Ipe (others comments above) & any of the plastic composites (not impressed by look/feel). Debating between thermally-modified wood, acetylated (Perennial Wood if we can find it; Accoya imported from Europe if not) or Kebony (also imported from Europe). Leaning toward one of the thermally-modified woods simply because they're grown & manufacturered in the US (albeit doesn't appear locally).

   Curious what experience (if any) anyone has building decks with the different options?

   Acetylated: https://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/green-building-news/rise-and-fall-miracle-wood

   Kebony: http://kebony.com/en/products