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Cabin Pier Floor System

jhwehrli | Posted in Plans Review on

Hi all,

I am helping a friend design some details for a 16’x12′ shed-roofed cabin in Northern MA (Climate Zone 5A). He is planning to do it half-DIY, and sub out the work he does not feel experienced enough to do. Essentially, this cabin will be a temporary home while his family gets settled and starts to plan a “main house” on the property. The important part of all this is that the cabin does not have to any code requirements due to its small footprint, based on the local jurisdiction. At least that’s what I’ve been told.

He wants to do a pier foundation with a floating floor. My two questions are regarding the structural integrity and the airsealing sequencing and detailing of the floor assembly. See attached sketches – they are rough and not to scale but you get the idea. 

1. Are (9) 14″ sonotubes with a 2’x2’x1′ ftg. strong enough to support an 18′ shed roof 2×6 wall structure? 

2. The idea with using TJIs as a floor system was so that you could lay down beads of sealant on the bottom flanges, drop in pieces of 3/4″ PT plywood, screw and glue and insulate from the bottom up due to low ground clearance. Is there a better way to do this?

2a. I am concerned about moisture going underneath the system. Perhaps ZIP with the WRB facing down would be an OK substitute if PT ply is not enough?

3. Is there a concern of moisture buildup in the floor system by not having any outboard insulation?

4. Since this is a secondary structure, is a 2×6 cavity insulated (maybe HD Fiberglass or Rockwool) wall well airsealed w/ taped ZIP and rainscreen really enough, or would one highly recommend that this assembly be modified to have some ext. CI?

Any and all comments and tips or resources to make this detail better are highly appreciated. Trying to suggest the best options for my friend whose building experience is limited.

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  1. Malcolm_Taylor | | #1

    jhwehrli

    I don't know of any jurisdictions where structures of any size can he used as dwelling units without the code applying - so that's something worth looking into.

    1. Assuming a typical soil bearing of 1500psf, yes they are fine. The size of the sono-tube could be reduced down to 8", and only use six total along the 16ft sides.
    2. Lay poly under the structure with a thin layer of gravel above to mitigate the ground moisture that gets to the floor.
    3. When I have built these small structures I have done the floors differently to make the underside layers easier to construct. I build the floor upside down (in sections if necessary) laying a layer of foam and plywood over what will be the bottom, then flipping they over onto the foundation. The only thing you need to remember is to provide solid blocking at the sono-tubes. If you go the way I'd use 2'x10"s, not TJIs.
    4. The heating or cooling load will be so small I wouldn't get too wild about insulating the walls with CI
    5. Make sure to think through how you will insulate the services going into the building. This link shows a good detail: https://www.southmountain.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/19-Small-Home-Harmony-Article-PDF.pdf

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