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Vapor Retarders for Foundation Walls

Should you use a polyethylene vapor retarder on the interior of a foundation wall?

Problems arise with polyethylene vapor retarders trapping moisture when the wall assembly is (exterior to interior): concrete wall, poly sheet, fiberglass batts between studs, and drywall, which can lead to mold. Photo: David Cedrone, Flickr - Creative Commons License

Member “otinkyad”—let’s call him Oti—has been reading about managing moisture and insulating in basements, and he and has some questions, which is posed in this Q&A post. He thinks he understands the premise of “How to Insulate a Basement Wall” i.e., polyethylene shouldn’t be used as a vapor retarder anywhere in a basement.

But then Oti read a more recent article, “Vapor Retarders for Basements and Crawlspaces,” which recommends installing poly over uninsulated, vapor-porous slabs that are often found in older homes. He’d like someone to explain why a vapor retarder is recommended for a basement slab but not for basement walls.

Commenters point out the difference between a wall assembly’s ability to dry to the outside vs. to the inside, and the influence a vapor retarder such as poly would have on those processes in a concrete basement. DCcontrarian explains, “Moisture moves from warm to cold and from wet to dry… To the extent a basement wall can dry, it’s to the interior only, so it has to be vapor-open to the interior. At the same time, it needs to be vapor-closed to the concrete, otherwise you’re trying to dry all the moisture in the soil through your walls.”

He continues, “Placed on the wrong side of the wall assembly, poly can trap vapor, where it can condense on the cool concrete wall surface.”

There is some discussion, too, between how to handle vapor retarders in basements vs. crawlspaces. Typically, the latter is at least partially above grade, and therefore is likely to have fewer moisture issues due to greater air circulation and drying.

That said, the question for this Spotlight is: Why is it okay to install a vapor retarder over a basement slab, but not on…

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3 Comments

  1. Expert Member
    Michael Maines | | #1

    I see that I didn't pay close enough attention to the specific question regarding slabs, of placing a vapor retarder OVER a porous slab. In his article (https://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/article/vapor-retarders-for-basements-and-crawlspaces), Martin says you can install poly over the slab, but he also says you need foam insulation and a plywood or OSB subfloor over it. I fully agree; poly alone would likely result in condensation, but the foam prevents condensation. Foam needs to be covered with a fire-resistant layer and it also needs to be something you can walk on, which I'm sure is why he recommends plywood or OSB. Andy Engel's classic article explains the finer points: https://www.finehomebuilding.com/2005/03/01/the-no-mold-finished-basement.

  2. Expert Member
    MALCOLM TAYLOR | | #2

    A link to the original Q&A is missing.

    1. Expert Member
      Michael Maines | | #3

      Kiley has added it now.

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